I can not recall how many times I've heard a scientist or skeptic on TV say something along the line of "A highly advanced alien race would probably regard humans as nothing, but insects. (sometimes cattle)" Likewise I can not tell you how much I disagree with that. Wait, I can!
Human history is riddled with "civilized" humans encountering other humans that we often consider "savage" or uncultured. For the most part we also disrespected many of these cultures by forcing our beliefs on them or enslaving them. And while today there are some groups and individuals who would still prefer to do the above, we have more regard for cultures that aren't part of the "modern world". In fact we are more curious about them then anything else, but at the same time hesitant to contact them for their good and ours. (Exposure to our diseases which isolated tribes have no immunity to can wipe them out. Some of these tribes aren't exactly the most friendly to outsiders either.)
I feel that an extra-terrestrial culture would probably react to us in one of the many ways mentioned above. If our history as a civilized species in full of it, an E.T. civilization would probably be as well, both the good and bad elements. That also means that they'd probably recognize us as being intelligent (at least to an extent) and would either try to communicate with us (for good or bad) or leave us alone for reasons they view as being good. However, until we have open and regular communication with an E.T. society, the best way to study how one would behave is to study ourselves.
Some related reading/examples:
Incredible pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes - Daily Mail Online
Article about the same tribe - BBC News
Wikipedia on slavery
Native American Timeline of Events
Tuesday, October 27, 2009
Wednesday, October 21, 2009
Is there an evolutionary advantage to telepathy?
While reading UFO Magazine today, one of the articles was talking about a book about this new agey guy who thinks that "star beings" are going to help us develop telepathy in order for us to move to a new spiritual level. In one sense, it's a cool idea, but then I tried to think about what the advantage would be to telepathy.
We humans prefer to think of ourselves as individuals, albeit social individuals and for the most part it works. Sure we can be selfish, but we value our privacy from time to time, and for the creative types that can be crucial. If we suddenly found ourselves with telepathy however, our minds would be open to anyone (or anything) close enough to us to hear thoughts. Unless there was a means to block people from reading our brains or we started thinking the same, I doubt we'd be able to walk down the street without hearing stuff we don't want to, or don't need to hear. Heck, there is enough of that without the telepathy.
From an evolutionary perspective, I see almost no reason for telepathy to develop. There are some situations where perhaps a species could develop something similar, such pack predators who rely on silence, but still need to communicate, but I feel it is unlikely that it would. Also like this article from Hard SF mentions, if a species already has other means of communication, the development of telepathy is doubtful and having multiple means of communication ourselves (vocal or visual) I find it unlikely we'd develop telepathy to replace any of them.
Overall I feel the idea is fantasy more then anything, at least for Earth based life. I will admit that it could develop elsewhere as a form of communication, maybe even in aliens who might be visiting our planet. And while I do feel that we as people need to evolve more spiritually or philosophically, I don't see how telepathy would help, in fact it would probably do more harm then good.
We humans prefer to think of ourselves as individuals, albeit social individuals and for the most part it works. Sure we can be selfish, but we value our privacy from time to time, and for the creative types that can be crucial. If we suddenly found ourselves with telepathy however, our minds would be open to anyone (or anything) close enough to us to hear thoughts. Unless there was a means to block people from reading our brains or we started thinking the same, I doubt we'd be able to walk down the street without hearing stuff we don't want to, or don't need to hear. Heck, there is enough of that without the telepathy.
From an evolutionary perspective, I see almost no reason for telepathy to develop. There are some situations where perhaps a species could develop something similar, such pack predators who rely on silence, but still need to communicate, but I feel it is unlikely that it would. Also like this article from Hard SF mentions, if a species already has other means of communication, the development of telepathy is doubtful and having multiple means of communication ourselves (vocal or visual) I find it unlikely we'd develop telepathy to replace any of them.
Overall I feel the idea is fantasy more then anything, at least for Earth based life. I will admit that it could develop elsewhere as a form of communication, maybe even in aliens who might be visiting our planet. And while I do feel that we as people need to evolve more spiritually or philosophically, I don't see how telepathy would help, in fact it would probably do more harm then good.
Monday, October 19, 2009
Common Sense: UFOs and God
The above title is probably a bit misleading, this isn't about UFOs and their connection to God...which who knows they might, but as I said, that's not what this post is about. It's really about two stupid things that no one seems to use common sense with. The first is that UFOs are "space aliens" and the second is that God can only exist with faith and would fail to exist if he was proven real...
Let's study the word UFO, which really isn't a word, but an abbreviation of the words "unidentified flying objects" which has absolutely nothing to do with aliens, unless of course a UFO can be identified as being an alien spaceship. The fact that they are unidentified makes them UFOs, not that they are aliens, weather balloons, or pan-dimensional rocket men. If we knew UFOs were any those, they'd in effect be IFOs, or identified flying objects and most of the time I think we can safely say they are not.
On the other side of it all though, I think we can safely say that a good number of these UFOs defy explanation. And although they are extraordinary and may not be conventional human aircraft, we shouldn't rush and conclude what they are because in all honesty most of us, excepting those who might have had contact with a UFO's occupants, will probably never be able to identify them.
As for God being destroyed by proving his existence, that's just completely nuts. Firstly, if God (assuming you believe in a creator or creators) relies totally on faith to exist, how would he have been able to create the world? No one would have been around then to have faith in him for him to exist, which would mean the whole Bible thing and as well as myths would not have formed and I'd probably not be sitting here typing this.
I'm only arguing this point simply because the whole idea that a couple scientists working with CERN (that place with the large hadron collider, or LHC) argued that the LHC was sabotaged by either people in the future or God in order to prevent them from forming the theorized God particle, which has something to do with the beginning of the universe.
Basically the two blokes said that people from the future may have prevented them from forming it because it would have caused a big disaster like a crazy black hole or something. Their other thought was that God wrecked it to prevent proof of his existence from forming because if he was proved real no one would have faith in him, but a proven belief in him, which they think means he'd "vanish in a puff logic" (paraphrased from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) or something, which is complete nonsense as I already stated above.
Let's study the word UFO, which really isn't a word, but an abbreviation of the words "unidentified flying objects" which has absolutely nothing to do with aliens, unless of course a UFO can be identified as being an alien spaceship. The fact that they are unidentified makes them UFOs, not that they are aliens, weather balloons, or pan-dimensional rocket men. If we knew UFOs were any those, they'd in effect be IFOs, or identified flying objects and most of the time I think we can safely say they are not.
On the other side of it all though, I think we can safely say that a good number of these UFOs defy explanation. And although they are extraordinary and may not be conventional human aircraft, we shouldn't rush and conclude what they are because in all honesty most of us, excepting those who might have had contact with a UFO's occupants, will probably never be able to identify them.
As for God being destroyed by proving his existence, that's just completely nuts. Firstly, if God (assuming you believe in a creator or creators) relies totally on faith to exist, how would he have been able to create the world? No one would have been around then to have faith in him for him to exist, which would mean the whole Bible thing and as well as myths would not have formed and I'd probably not be sitting here typing this.
I'm only arguing this point simply because the whole idea that a couple scientists working with CERN (that place with the large hadron collider, or LHC) argued that the LHC was sabotaged by either people in the future or God in order to prevent them from forming the theorized God particle, which has something to do with the beginning of the universe.
Basically the two blokes said that people from the future may have prevented them from forming it because it would have caused a big disaster like a crazy black hole or something. Their other thought was that God wrecked it to prevent proof of his existence from forming because if he was proved real no one would have faith in him, but a proven belief in him, which they think means he'd "vanish in a puff logic" (paraphrased from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) or something, which is complete nonsense as I already stated above.
Hell and Birthdays
I find myself for some reason compelled to blog about Hell and religious stuff today, but I don't know why considering that I'm not totally religious and from what I can tell, the whole hellfire and brimstone thing we hear all the time is nothing, but bunk. Heck even the Jehovah's Witnesses agree on that one (I get literature from them at work and having a naturally inquisitive mind...well you get the picture) which means that I'm not the only one who sees that it's bunk, which is reassuring.
Actually the name Hell is a knock off of Hel from Norse mythology. That's right, Hell came from the Norse, although it wasn't the torturous flaming pit of doom. In actuality it was just a gloomy underworld where just about everyone goes when they die, unless of course you're one of the chosen who get to get plastered in Valhalla until Ragnarok. Probably the coolest part about the Norse Hel is that you can actually be born back out of it sometimes back into your family's bloodline, giving you another chance to chill in Valhalla the next time you die.
Another odd religious fact is that December 25th when everyone celebrates Christmas isn't really Jesus' birthday. A neat fact I learned while reading an issue of Atlantis Rising magazine awhile back is that Dec. 25th is originally the Roman celebration of the winter solstice which had something to do with Mithra, a mythical deity who apparently has a lot in common with Jesus. As far as the real birthday of Jesus, no one really knows, however it appears it was probably sometime in January.
Speaking of birthdays, come late May my family will have a new one to celebrate when my wife and I have our third child...meaning I'm one step closer to spreading my spawn across the globe. And other then that I really don't even know the point of this post...expect a better one tomorrow...lol
Actually the name Hell is a knock off of Hel from Norse mythology. That's right, Hell came from the Norse, although it wasn't the torturous flaming pit of doom. In actuality it was just a gloomy underworld where just about everyone goes when they die, unless of course you're one of the chosen who get to get plastered in Valhalla until Ragnarok. Probably the coolest part about the Norse Hel is that you can actually be born back out of it sometimes back into your family's bloodline, giving you another chance to chill in Valhalla the next time you die.
Another odd religious fact is that December 25th when everyone celebrates Christmas isn't really Jesus' birthday. A neat fact I learned while reading an issue of Atlantis Rising magazine awhile back is that Dec. 25th is originally the Roman celebration of the winter solstice which had something to do with Mithra, a mythical deity who apparently has a lot in common with Jesus. As far as the real birthday of Jesus, no one really knows, however it appears it was probably sometime in January.
Speaking of birthdays, come late May my family will have a new one to celebrate when my wife and I have our third child...meaning I'm one step closer to spreading my spawn across the globe. And other then that I really don't even know the point of this post...expect a better one tomorrow...lol
Wednesday, October 14, 2009
Where have these guys been?
There is a group calling themselves UFO response team, complete with converted cop cars that is supposedly based in CA, WA, Portland (OR), and Denver (CO) whose goal is to investigate UFO events. Now I must ask, where have these guys been during this apparent UFO wave here in Oregon and Washington? Are they truly investigating encounters or doing it to look cool? And finally why don't they have anything more other then an intro posted on their blog/site? I just hope there is more to them then looking rather MIBish in their converted Crown Victorias...personally I would have gone with something by Jeep.
Kudos to Phantoms and Monsters for posting info on these guys.
Update/thought (8:44pm): I wonder if these have anything to do with Robert Bigelow's attempt at forming MUFON rapid response teams?
Also, thanks to the Interstellar Housewife, I now know their actual webpage: UFOresponseteam.com
While at that site, I tried filling out their admissions thing. First page filled out fine and sent data, but the second had issues and wouldn't send right. They also ask a series of interesting questions...Going by how they've stylized their page, I want to say it's one of those alternate reality games promoting a movie, however I'm not to sure about that. Hopefully they send me a message from sending in the first page of their admissions thingy...
Kudos to Phantoms and Monsters for posting info on these guys.
Update/thought (8:44pm): I wonder if these have anything to do with Robert Bigelow's attempt at forming MUFON rapid response teams?
Also, thanks to the Interstellar Housewife, I now know their actual webpage: UFOresponseteam.com
While at that site, I tried filling out their admissions thing. First page filled out fine and sent data, but the second had issues and wouldn't send right. They also ask a series of interesting questions...Going by how they've stylized their page, I want to say it's one of those alternate reality games promoting a movie, however I'm not to sure about that. Hopefully they send me a message from sending in the first page of their admissions thingy...
Monday, October 12, 2009
Triangular UFO seen in Portland
Well the first reported Oregon UFO sighting of October has been posted over at MUFON . Again this one reportedly contained multiple eyewitnesses (hopefully more come forward) and was of an apparent triangular object. Full account of sighting can be read here: Triangle UFO, three gray lights underneath moving west to east
Why are these not sprouting up everywhere?
Every once and awhile a great idea is had by someone, and thanks to a link over at Strange Planet I found one such idea. The idea is the dream of the late architect Nader Khalili to build not only natural homes, but ones that are cheap to construct and involve the very earth of the land the homes are built on. They are sort of an upgraded version of good old simple adobe housing (a method that has been used for thousands of years) called a monolithic dome, combining an ancient look with the sturdiness of dome architecture.
I think in our modern day world these are a perfect solution to many problems faced by not only the poor and those in third world countries, but also for those seeking to afford a home, but otherwise cannot do to the massive costs of standard houses. Part of the reason I think these are not popping up everywhere is the fact that people seem to think the disadvantages listed on this wikipedia page are a bigger problem then they really are. Well either that or the people who are in power both politically and in real estate are trying their hardest to keep these from spreading beyond just the eccentric and dreamers. Heck all the problems listed on that wikipedia page are easily overcome with a bit of experimentation, study, and implementation.
Just to show the awesome potential of these homes, here is a couple photo galleries showing what they can look like:
Picasa gallery of someone wishing to build a community using these homes
Cal-Earth gallery - gallery from the page of those trying to spread the skills needed to build these homes to the public.
Finally here is the actual home page Cal-Earth as well: Calearth.org
And before I go I must say this idea blows the dome home idea from Japan out of the water.
I think in our modern day world these are a perfect solution to many problems faced by not only the poor and those in third world countries, but also for those seeking to afford a home, but otherwise cannot do to the massive costs of standard houses. Part of the reason I think these are not popping up everywhere is the fact that people seem to think the disadvantages listed on this wikipedia page are a bigger problem then they really are. Well either that or the people who are in power both politically and in real estate are trying their hardest to keep these from spreading beyond just the eccentric and dreamers. Heck all the problems listed on that wikipedia page are easily overcome with a bit of experimentation, study, and implementation.
Just to show the awesome potential of these homes, here is a couple photo galleries showing what they can look like:
Picasa gallery of someone wishing to build a community using these homes
Cal-Earth gallery - gallery from the page of those trying to spread the skills needed to build these homes to the public.
Finally here is the actual home page Cal-Earth as well: Calearth.org
And before I go I must say this idea blows the dome home idea from Japan out of the water.
Thursday, October 8, 2009
Oh yeah, Happy Cephalopod Awareness Day!
Yay our tentacled brethren and sisters have their own holiday! Anyways to celebrate here is a video I dredged up off of youtube called "Hey There Cthulhu", and while Cthulhu isn't totally a cephalopod, I think it fits.
And in case you're wondering, the song is by a guy named Eben Brooks. In perhaps an eerie twist, eben is sometimes used as an acronym for extraterrestrial biological entity...which Cthulhu is...I think...is a multidimensional super being an eben?
And for some more somewhat cephalopod related fun here is a link to Regan Lee's awesome Octopus Confessional blog, which is about everything from conspiracies, bizarre news, and occasionally cephalopods.
And finally for the real cephalopod goodness, here is a link to Tonmo which is a Octopus/cephalopod online magazine forum thing, for cephalopod keepers (that's right some people have them as pets) and enthusiasts.
And before I leave (this post keeps going and going for no reason don't it?) here is a pic of a little squid out for looking for some human flesh...so watch out, he might bite!
Picture originally taken by some unknown person from NOAA...
who may or may not be trying
to manipulate our weather...
ah dangit...I'm conspiracy theorizing again...
And in case you're wondering, the song is by a guy named Eben Brooks. In perhaps an eerie twist, eben is sometimes used as an acronym for extraterrestrial biological entity...which Cthulhu is...I think...is a multidimensional super being an eben?
And for some more somewhat cephalopod related fun here is a link to Regan Lee's awesome Octopus Confessional blog, which is about everything from conspiracies, bizarre news, and occasionally cephalopods.
And finally for the real cephalopod goodness, here is a link to Tonmo which is a Octopus/cephalopod online magazine forum thing, for cephalopod keepers (that's right some people have them as pets) and enthusiasts.
And before I leave (this post keeps going and going for no reason don't it?) here is a pic of a little squid out for looking for some human flesh...so watch out, he might bite!
Picture originally taken by some unknown person from NOAA...who may or may not be trying
to manipulate our weather...
ah dangit...I'm conspiracy theorizing again...
P.S. I'd also like to wish my brother Matt a happy birthday as well...of I don't think he'll read this, but it's the thought that counts right? I'd call him, but odds are he's in bed already because he works earlier then I do in the mornings, so he'll get a belated b-day call tomorrow.
Rods from God, Madmen, and Alien Invasion
History Channel rocks...well at least to those of us who don't consider it the Fantasy Channel. Their latest episode of The Universe rocked however and had me riveted as well as oohing and awing at potentially awesome, albeit sometimes quite simple, future space warfare. It also had wondering just how quickly an alien race that wanted to wipe us off the face of the Earth could.
Perhaps the most obvious thing that be different about war in space is that it'd be nothing like what we see in Star Wars and Star Trek (although ST is a bit more realistic then SW) and would be boring, but not at the same time. Weapons would work completely different, there would be no sound (as most of us probably know) and forget the need for wings on ships. Also, throw out the warheads for good old fashioned kinetic energy.
My favorite weapon they showcased was what is called a "Rod from God" which is nothing more then a sturdy metal rod with a rocket booster, designed to be launched from space, boost itself to a high speed, then shut off and just go faster and faster, in the frictionless vacuum of space. The result is basically the same as a meteor impact, or a punch to the face in a sense. I question their reasoning for showing that television however because you just know some rich madman is going to build one and hold the world hostage now. Speaking of which, it could even be an alien madman.
Yeah, some crazy aliens might just be out there with tech far in advance from us, ready to blow us off the planet. Well actually I don't know if being blown off is possible, but it could be, however, I had no choice, but to question how capable we'd really be of fighting off a E.T. menace if they were just that much more advanced then us. Really I don't think there would be anyway to stop them. Considering we're still here however, and the fact that most of the UFO phenomenon to me seems to be interdimensional, I doubt we'll be faced with that threat...of course we live in a world of infinite possibilities, so we'll never really know unless it happens. Now the an Earthbound rich madman however...that is more of a possibility...I just hope a James Bond like guy is too...
Perhaps the most obvious thing that be different about war in space is that it'd be nothing like what we see in Star Wars and Star Trek (although ST is a bit more realistic then SW) and would be boring, but not at the same time. Weapons would work completely different, there would be no sound (as most of us probably know) and forget the need for wings on ships. Also, throw out the warheads for good old fashioned kinetic energy.
My favorite weapon they showcased was what is called a "Rod from God" which is nothing more then a sturdy metal rod with a rocket booster, designed to be launched from space, boost itself to a high speed, then shut off and just go faster and faster, in the frictionless vacuum of space. The result is basically the same as a meteor impact, or a punch to the face in a sense. I question their reasoning for showing that television however because you just know some rich madman is going to build one and hold the world hostage now. Speaking of which, it could even be an alien madman.
Yeah, some crazy aliens might just be out there with tech far in advance from us, ready to blow us off the planet. Well actually I don't know if being blown off is possible, but it could be, however, I had no choice, but to question how capable we'd really be of fighting off a E.T. menace if they were just that much more advanced then us. Really I don't think there would be anyway to stop them. Considering we're still here however, and the fact that most of the UFO phenomenon to me seems to be interdimensional, I doubt we'll be faced with that threat...of course we live in a world of infinite possibilities, so we'll never really know unless it happens. Now the an Earthbound rich madman however...that is more of a possibility...I just hope a James Bond like guy is too...
Monday, October 5, 2009
Oregon UFO Wave: The Evidence So Far
There is evidence that something was going on in Oregon and Washington last month in the UFO world, but despite all my searches I've only come up with a limited number of sightings. However, I've never really studied a possible ongoing UFO event before so there may be more that I've not found. I also have to keep in mind that many witnesses don't like coming forward for fear of ridicule and that's rather unfortunate. My friend who saw that UFOs in Portland with multiple witnesses even asked one of them if they were going to say anything to anyone and they promptly responded "No way!"
People refusing to come forward aside however, there were some really interesting events that took place last month. One in Corvallis where a family saw an object about 1,000ft above their house resulted in a photo of an something odd. What it is I really can't say, but I know of no aircraft with that profile other then possibly a bizarre blimp or balloon. That fails to explain what looks like engine glow however.
I also received an interesting comment/e-mail (posted/sent on both by witness) about a sighting of a fleet of black crescent shaped aircraft flying over my town of Hillsboro, OR that was seen on Friday the 25th. The only aircraft that I know of that roughly fits that description is the B-2 Spirit, which is the only remaining true stealth bomber in the Air Force, with the F-117 Nighthawk having retired in April of 2008. There are only 21 B-2s in the service though and all, but one are stationed in Missouri, so I doubt they'd be flying over Oregon.
There is also a number of sightings that happened in Portland, Oregon within a few days of my friend's sighting on Sunday 9-13-09. On the 17th there was this sighting of a triangular craft, and then this one which I mentioned in an earlier post where an object was seen on the Tuesday the 15th, being followed by F-15s from the Oregon Air National Guard.
Perhaps the weirdest incident happened in Washington where objects were seen multiple times starting in July and culminated in a sighting of a possible entity on Saturday September 12th in the backyard of the witness. The whole series of events is full of high strangeness, including helicopters, crop circles, strange lights and more.
Finally I received a report of a bizarre weather incident in Newport Oregon, which may or may not be UFO related. It is noteworthy however since the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) just recently selected Newport as the new home for their Pacific Marine Operations Center. It really makes one wonder if NOAA is up to something out there.
Aside from all that there are more reports out there, but I'm only linking to the ones that I found most interesting. Although I really need to get around to making a map of the all the events. Maybe there is a pattern there, perhaps not, but it might prove fruitful. It's also a good excuse to play with photo shop which is always fun.
People refusing to come forward aside however, there were some really interesting events that took place last month. One in Corvallis where a family saw an object about 1,000ft above their house resulted in a photo of an something odd. What it is I really can't say, but I know of no aircraft with that profile other then possibly a bizarre blimp or balloon. That fails to explain what looks like engine glow however.
I also received an interesting comment/e-mail (posted/sent on both by witness) about a sighting of a fleet of black crescent shaped aircraft flying over my town of Hillsboro, OR that was seen on Friday the 25th. The only aircraft that I know of that roughly fits that description is the B-2 Spirit, which is the only remaining true stealth bomber in the Air Force, with the F-117 Nighthawk having retired in April of 2008. There are only 21 B-2s in the service though and all, but one are stationed in Missouri, so I doubt they'd be flying over Oregon.
There is also a number of sightings that happened in Portland, Oregon within a few days of my friend's sighting on Sunday 9-13-09. On the 17th there was this sighting of a triangular craft, and then this one which I mentioned in an earlier post where an object was seen on the Tuesday the 15th, being followed by F-15s from the Oregon Air National Guard.
Perhaps the weirdest incident happened in Washington where objects were seen multiple times starting in July and culminated in a sighting of a possible entity on Saturday September 12th in the backyard of the witness. The whole series of events is full of high strangeness, including helicopters, crop circles, strange lights and more.
Finally I received a report of a bizarre weather incident in Newport Oregon, which may or may not be UFO related. It is noteworthy however since the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) just recently selected Newport as the new home for their Pacific Marine Operations Center. It really makes one wonder if NOAA is up to something out there.
Aside from all that there are more reports out there, but I'm only linking to the ones that I found most interesting. Although I really need to get around to making a map of the all the events. Maybe there is a pattern there, perhaps not, but it might prove fruitful. It's also a good excuse to play with photo shop which is always fun.
Sunday, October 4, 2009
Interdimensional beings?
Lon over at Phantoms and Monsters posted info on an interesting MUFON case involving transparent beings that were seen in Wisconsin. Were these creatures interdimensional visitors studying our world or alien visitors with a "Predator like" cloaking device?
Saturday, October 3, 2009
Quick update on Portland UFO
I saw my friend the other day who saw the UFO in Portland and he corrected me on the date of the incident. It actually occurred on Sunday 9-13-09, not Monday 9-14-09. As for the possible wave, I'm still gathering data on any sightings. I have a lot to scour through. Newsites, UFO pages, MUFON's case archives, etc...
I'm also tempted include Washington sightings in this since Washington is really close to Portland meaning that any sightings could possibly be related.
Finally if anyone out there who reads this comes across anything on the web pertaining to recent Oregon or Washington UFO sightings hook me up with a link in case it's one I've missed. Also if you've seen a UFO in either state in the last couple months, feel free to comment or e-mail me at phoenixorb83@gmail.com .
I'm also tempted include Washington sightings in this since Washington is really close to Portland meaning that any sightings could possibly be related.
Finally if anyone out there who reads this comes across anything on the web pertaining to recent Oregon or Washington UFO sightings hook me up with a link in case it's one I've missed. Also if you've seen a UFO in either state in the last couple months, feel free to comment or e-mail me at phoenixorb83@gmail.com .
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